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	<title>Comments on: Why I think the T10 4 pc set Bonus Change Blows Goats</title>
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		<title>By: Jooles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jooles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 11:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used the old T10 4pc as holy and it was OK but I&#039;d still rather have a flat increase to my best heal every time I want to use it than an occasional boost to my healing when the RNG says so.  Adding the RNG factor into healing is a step towards &quot;Q. Why did X die? A. Bad luck on RNG!&quot;.  Maybe I&#039;m just never lucky with the RNG but I can count the times I got multiple procs on it and it was actually useful on one finger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used the old T10 4pc as holy and it was OK but I&#8217;d still rather have a flat increase to my best heal every time I want to use it than an occasional boost to my healing when the RNG says so.  Adding the RNG factor into healing is a step towards &#8220;Q. Why did X die? A. Bad luck on RNG!&#8221;.  Maybe I&#8217;m just never lucky with the RNG but I can count the times I got multiple procs on it and it was actually useful on one finger.</p>
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		<title>By: Avalonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avalonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 20:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have not had time to do more than a cursory look over of my logs since the change. Without an in depth look, the static buff to shields is not more than the average healing I gained from the previous 4 pc, but because of work this week, I only have about 3 raids worth of data (2x Heroic ICC 25 as disc, 1X Heroic ICC 10 as holy), so I&#039;m holding off on actual number posting until next week.  Derevka actually raided this week, so perhaps he has more insight at this time.

Simple math is telling me that off tier pieces can offer me more than the 4 pc - HOWEVER, many of the pieces I am gathering are only obtainable in Heroic Modes. I have not done a thorough look to if this would be the case if heroic loot was omitted.

I need to play around some more with this, and actually test these assumptions out a bit more. I plan to do a follow up post on this when I have more data (and time...time is a dwindling resource right now), and if off tier pieces do indeed end up being better, and if so, which ones.

Regardless how it plays out, it&#039;s still a boring change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not had time to do more than a cursory look over of my logs since the change. Without an in depth look, the static buff to shields is not more than the average healing I gained from the previous 4 pc, but because of work this week, I only have about 3 raids worth of data (2x Heroic ICC 25 as disc, 1X Heroic ICC 10 as holy), so I&#8217;m holding off on actual number posting until next week.  Derevka actually raided this week, so perhaps he has more insight at this time.</p>
<p>Simple math is telling me that off tier pieces can offer me more than the 4 pc &#8211; HOWEVER, many of the pieces I am gathering are only obtainable in Heroic Modes. I have not done a thorough look to if this would be the case if heroic loot was omitted.</p>
<p>I need to play around some more with this, and actually test these assumptions out a bit more. I plan to do a follow up post on this when I have more data (and time&#8230;time is a dwindling resource right now), and if off tier pieces do indeed end up being better, and if so, which ones.</p>
<p>Regardless how it plays out, it&#8217;s still a boring change.</p>
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		<title>By: Qeal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Qeal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 08:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What are your thoughts on the blogpost I made regarding the new T10 4 piece from a Disc perspective?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are your thoughts on the blogpost I made regarding the new T10 4 piece from a Disc perspective?</p>
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		<title>By: Derevka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derevka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 23:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep... could it change again? Yeah... IMO, still a BORING ASS CHANGE. 5% and 10%.... Yawn, look at the rest of the 4pc bonuses... INTERESTING! Flat throughput buff.... Zzzzzz

Well, at least I know I wont be competing for Heroic 277 Tokens. Hello 277  Non-Tier items... at least they have more haste!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep&#8230; could it change again? Yeah&#8230; IMO, still a BORING ASS CHANGE. 5% and 10%&#8230;. Yawn, look at the rest of the 4pc bonuses&#8230; INTERESTING! Flat throughput buff&#8230;. Zzzzzz</p>
<p>Well, at least I know I wont be competing for Heroic 277 Tokens. Hello 277  Non-Tier items&#8230; at least they have more haste!</p>
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		<title>By: Carnation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carnation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s been changed again...

Priest Tier-10 4-Piece Healing Set Bonus: Redesigned. This bonus now increases the effectiveness of the caster&#039;s Power Word: Shield by 5% and Circle of Healing by 10%. 

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I think we should continue to watch and wait to see how they keep developing it. This latest change shows they&#039;re considering options. However, it&#039;s still not as &quot;interesting&quot; as the previous version, and the lame 2pc remains.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been changed again&#8230;</p>
<p>Priest Tier-10 4-Piece Healing Set Bonus: Redesigned. This bonus now increases the effectiveness of the caster&#8217;s Power Word: Shield by 5% and Circle of Healing by 10%. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>I think we should continue to watch and wait to see how they keep developing it. This latest change shows they&#8217;re considering options. However, it&#8217;s still not as &#8220;interesting&#8221; as the previous version, and the lame 2pc remains.</p>
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		<title>By: Arcsin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arcsin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 00:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I took t10.2pc and have been waiting for 4pc to drop out of VoA, so I never got to try the proc (and have been sadly unlucky in VoA for that matter)  I was certainly pessimistic about it since it seemed unreliable.  

But mostly I was avoiding all the spirit on that gear.  I was instead saving up for holy.2pc + shadow.2pc + Meteor Chaser&#039;s Rainments (and have all but the shadow gloves/pants).  

The new 4pc is esp disappointing not because 5% is lackluster, but because I expect it to not get used in many fights.  For Festergut, sure it&#039;s great.  But for 10 man LK (which I&#039;m working on) I can already block all of infest and will reshield everyone before the next infest comes around.  

So I suppose my complaint is that it&#039;s not going to help me where I personally need it.  But maybe when we get into heroic mode or the 25 man team catches up I&#039;ll think differently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took t10.2pc and have been waiting for 4pc to drop out of VoA, so I never got to try the proc (and have been sadly unlucky in VoA for that matter)  I was certainly pessimistic about it since it seemed unreliable.  </p>
<p>But mostly I was avoiding all the spirit on that gear.  I was instead saving up for holy.2pc + shadow.2pc + Meteor Chaser&#8217;s Rainments (and have all but the shadow gloves/pants).  </p>
<p>The new 4pc is esp disappointing not because 5% is lackluster, but because I expect it to not get used in many fights.  For Festergut, sure it&#8217;s great.  But for 10 man LK (which I&#8217;m working on) I can already block all of infest and will reshield everyone before the next infest comes around.  </p>
<p>So I suppose my complaint is that it&#8217;s not going to help me where I personally need it.  But maybe when we get into heroic mode or the 25 man team catches up I&#8217;ll think differently.</p>
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		<title>By: cacoethes</title>
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		<dc:creator>cacoethes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am so glad to see this post. When I first heard of the change, I was upset and a little hurt. My job as a disc priest is usually totally dependent on the needs of the raid at that particular second. I&#039;m not only the tank healer and I&#039;m not only the raid healer. If I see my pally healer is frost tombed, then I can confidently take over her role until she&#039;s free to heal the tanks again. Disc priests are great at controlling a fight&#039;s incoming damage and also quickly reacting to someone&#039;s unexpected impending death (yes, part of the reason I love being a disc priest is that I often get to be the healer who &quot;saves the day&quot; if something goes wrong). Having penances available in these emergency situations is amazing. The best part about the bonus is that it feels FUN. It isn&#039;t essential for it to proc (like ecclipse procs for druids) but when it does it&#039;s awesome. Even if I&#039;m farming heroics, seeing the cooldown reset still gives me a little moment of happiness. If I was looking for straight stat power, I would have just bought the non-tier pieces in the first place. But I actually *enjoy* Blizzard putting something into our rotation that involves a little bit of skill and a little bit of luck to make work amazingly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad to see this post. When I first heard of the change, I was upset and a little hurt. My job as a disc priest is usually totally dependent on the needs of the raid at that particular second. I&#8217;m not only the tank healer and I&#8217;m not only the raid healer. If I see my pally healer is frost tombed, then I can confidently take over her role until she&#8217;s free to heal the tanks again. Disc priests are great at controlling a fight&#8217;s incoming damage and also quickly reacting to someone&#8217;s unexpected impending death (yes, part of the reason I love being a disc priest is that I often get to be the healer who &#8220;saves the day&#8221; if something goes wrong). Having penances available in these emergency situations is amazing. The best part about the bonus is that it feels FUN. It isn&#8217;t essential for it to proc (like ecclipse procs for druids) but when it does it&#8217;s awesome. Even if I&#8217;m farming heroics, seeing the cooldown reset still gives me a little moment of happiness. If I was looking for straight stat power, I would have just bought the non-tier pieces in the first place. But I actually *enjoy* Blizzard putting something into our rotation that involves a little bit of skill and a little bit of luck to make work amazingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Emoose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emoose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 19:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My previous guild was running 3 Holy Paladins, 1 Disc Priest (myself), 1 Tree and 1 Shaman.

Derevka and Ava&#039;s guild (which is my new home, they adopted a puppy, and I happened to be the cutest one at the pet shop) runs with what was listed by Derevka just above.

Both guilds have similar, practically identical progression. A healing setup will practically always work if your healers know what their role is and if they can trust / work with the other healers properly.

I liked our current set bonus for both Disc raid healing and Disc tank healing. I&#039;ll like the new one as well. I like this game. I wish this game would have my babies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My previous guild was running 3 Holy Paladins, 1 Disc Priest (myself), 1 Tree and 1 Shaman.</p>
<p>Derevka and Ava&#8217;s guild (which is my new home, they adopted a puppy, and I happened to be the cutest one at the pet shop) runs with what was listed by Derevka just above.</p>
<p>Both guilds have similar, practically identical progression. A healing setup will practically always work if your healers know what their role is and if they can trust / work with the other healers properly.</p>
<p>I liked our current set bonus for both Disc raid healing and Disc tank healing. I&#8217;ll like the new one as well. I like this game. I wish this game would have my babies.</p>
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		<title>By: Derevka</title>
		<link>http://talesofapriest.com/2010/03/04/why-i-think-the-t10-4-pc-set-bonus-change-blows-goats/#comment-911</link>
		<dc:creator>Derevka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep, Ava hit the nail on the head. Disc healers are amazing ont he tank, ESPECIALLY on HICC25. We usually have a holy or Disc (typically myself) on the raid, I bounce between specs depending on the raid damage mechanics of each fight, while a Pally and Ava (and/or a shaman) on the MTs. 

We typically run, Treex2, Pally, Shaman, Priest x2 (varying spec) on our Heroic 25 Runs. It works well for us... 

No one is saying that you MUST have a Disc on a MT, just that they are great tank healers and the Penance CD proc just made it all the better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, Ava hit the nail on the head. Disc healers are amazing ont he tank, ESPECIALLY on HICC25. We usually have a holy or Disc (typically myself) on the raid, I bounce between specs depending on the raid damage mechanics of each fight, while a Pally and Ava (and/or a shaman) on the MTs. </p>
<p>We typically run, Treex2, Pally, Shaman, Priest x2 (varying spec) on our Heroic 25 Runs. It works well for us&#8230; </p>
<p>No one is saying that you MUST have a Disc on a MT, just that they are great tank healers and the Penance CD proc just made it all the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Avalonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avalonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 18:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Discs are amazing tank healers. To say they are not good tank healers is slightly baffling, and you should look at the amount of mitigation and damage abosrbed - ESPECIALLY in heroic fights. We won&#039;t go without one on a tank if at all possible. 

They are also damn good raid healers, and usually also have one on the raid as well. However, if a disc raid healer is doing nothing but bubbles, they are simple not holding up to their potential. The amount of raid damage in ICC heroic provides more than enough targets to demonstrate a proper weaving technique. So to simply bubble is ignoring a good hunk of your potential and putting strain on other healers. And THAT is an ineffective way to utilize your healers. Granted, every guild will do things differently - these techniques are what we and others have found to work well.

While it&#039;s true that you can not predict when it will proc, hence the argument I see that it&#039;s unreliable - the amount of times it can and will proc is extremely high. As we said, and as many heroic raiders have confirmed, the proof of the out put is in the logs....and a 5% flat increase to shield reflectivity pales in comparison. Even in 25 man fights where I utilize a raid bubble healing technique (LK, Heroic Dreamwalker, heroic BQl, to name a few) this has been invaluable.

If it was a cooldown, perhaps it would address people&#039;s concerns that its unreliable, But as far as I&#039;m concerned, the randomness of it makes it fun. And because it procs so often, it ususally DOES proc when you need it most. As we said -when we first heard about this bonus, it sounded like would suck. However, those that actually tried it usually changed their mind.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discs are amazing tank healers. To say they are not good tank healers is slightly baffling, and you should look at the amount of mitigation and damage abosrbed &#8211; ESPECIALLY in heroic fights. We won&#8217;t go without one on a tank if at all possible. </p>
<p>They are also damn good raid healers, and usually also have one on the raid as well. However, if a disc raid healer is doing nothing but bubbles, they are simple not holding up to their potential. The amount of raid damage in ICC heroic provides more than enough targets to demonstrate a proper weaving technique. So to simply bubble is ignoring a good hunk of your potential and putting strain on other healers. And THAT is an ineffective way to utilize your healers. Granted, every guild will do things differently &#8211; these techniques are what we and others have found to work well.</p>
<p>While it&#8217;s true that you can not predict when it will proc, hence the argument I see that it&#8217;s unreliable &#8211; the amount of times it can and will proc is extremely high. As we said, and as many heroic raiders have confirmed, the proof of the out put is in the logs&#8230;.and a 5% flat increase to shield reflectivity pales in comparison. Even in 25 man fights where I utilize a raid bubble healing technique (LK, Heroic Dreamwalker, heroic BQl, to name a few) this has been invaluable.</p>
<p>If it was a cooldown, perhaps it would address people&#8217;s concerns that its unreliable, But as far as I&#8217;m concerned, the randomness of it makes it fun. And because it procs so often, it ususally DOES proc when you need it most. As we said -when we first heard about this bonus, it sounded like would suck. However, those that actually tried it usually changed their mind.</p>
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