Comments on: 4.3 Hymns, Leverage, and Haste

By: clam

clam — Sat, 21 Jan 2012 15:30:53 +0000

I’m trying to chase down the formula to calculate the actual channel time for DH and HoH. In game my channel time for DH is 8.56 with ~16% haste. Do you happen to know the formula?

By: Discipline Secondary Stats | Tales of a Priest

Discipline Secondary Stats | Tales of a Priest — Thu, 05 Jan 2012 21:31:35 +0000

[...] speed at which we can cast spells, increases the number of ticks certain spells have (see previous post), as well as reduces the length of our Global Cooldown (GCD). To gain 1% haste, it would require [...]

By: Klaneisalot

Klaneisalot — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:05:15 +0000

Spell my name correct plz

And welcome back

By: Derevka

Derevka — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 04:38:37 +0000

@Kane – though you lose any altruism to your raid by missing any raid level restoration.

By: Klaneisalot

Klaneisalot — Fri, 02 Dec 2011 02:29:03 +0000

Why should you use HoH with fiend.You use HoH and cancel it straight away.Even if you channel or not you get the 15%extra mana pool for the next 8secs.There is no need to channel.Ofc you will lose the 12k mana from the ticks while you channel but i think its a good sacrifice in order to get the 15% more mana pool.

i.e. unbuffed idle at sw i have a mana pool of 135864
Torrent proc gives me 500int thats 9226mana
Lightweave(alone) gives 580int thats 10702mana
HoH gives 15%mana thats 20379mana

Even combined proc of torrent+lightweave doesnt reach the HoH mana gain.Also you should take under considaration that HoH mana buff scales with mana pool meaning it scales with intellect so as you get more gear and bigger mana pool you gain more mana from the 15% buff.

By: Tomaj

Tomaj — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:44:28 +0000

Oh, and I meant to say Lifeblood from Herbalism, not Alchemy. >.< Derp.

By: Tomaj

Tomaj — Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:43:21 +0000

One additional thing about haste procs/buffs and Hymns. It’s important that, if possible (not so in the case of Borrowed Time) to use it at the end of the buff. Haste does NOT recalculate if the buff falls off – once you start channeling, that amount of haste is present for the duration of the channel.

SO.

Berserking (Trolls), Bloodlust/Time Warp/Heroism, Lifeblood (Alchemy), etc. – if you can manage, use the majority of your haste buff on something else, then at the last second or so, THEN start channeling your Hymn. With Berserking, Lifeblood and Bloodlust all up, I’ve managed as much as 24 heals (or double the amount of ticks) from Divine Hymn and mana restores from Hymn of Hope. Granted, it’s more the norm to only get 18-21 total hits, but I have seen 24 before.

By: Zelmaru

Zelmaru — Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:55:05 +0000

AHA! MATH! I’m so glad we have you back.

By: Derevka

Derevka — Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:37:08 +0000

I haven’t been lately. Mostly because I have been using Fiend either to time with Heroism (so he swings faster) or Torrent/Lightweave dual (or single) procs. Alternatively, with Rune of Zeth.

For HM Rag, I use HOH stacked with our Holy Priests HOH for double stacky goodness.

By: Oestrus

Oestrus — Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:12:05 +0000

Do you still advocate using Shadowfiend with HoH? It always felt too risky, to get the timing of both right and then assuming that your Shadowfiend not only hits the target, but lives long enough to do enough strikes to get the most amount of mana back. It felt like too many stars had to align to get the combo to work properly and I would rather not risk it. I have taken to using each separately and haven’t had a problem.

Thoughts?