Comments on: Is Rapture a Sign of the End of the World http://talesofapriest.com/2012/12/13/is-rapture-a-sign-of-the-end-of-the-world/ A Perspective on the Raiding Priest Sun, 21 Apr 2013 08:24:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1 By: samsius-bladefist http://talesofapriest.com/2012/12/13/is-rapture-a-sign-of-the-end-of-the-world/#comment-41817 samsius-bladefist Fri, 15 Feb 2013 22:53:14 +0000 http://talesofapriest.com/?p=3053#comment-41817 Everywhere i read says holy is terrible and disc is the only way to go, but ive played Holy the entire expansion until a week or two ago i started trying disc a bit, and i still like holy better. I top the heals in my guild as holy, and i have 43 WoL ranks (albiet some are disc in LFR i got today). While it may to be that an experienced Disc preist can beat an experienced holy priest, Holy is still viable if you know how to play it.

]]> By: Higherp http://talesofapriest.com/2012/12/13/is-rapture-a-sign-of-the-end-of-the-world/#comment-34041 Higherp Wed, 09 Jan 2013 22:46:36 +0000 http://talesofapriest.com/?p=3053#comment-34041 I went OS Disc and have been healing Disc for 3 weeks now. I started in vanilla as Holy and after karazan went DISC tell Mists.

One I noticed we are missing as far as Disc mana issues is that when I can’t Smite heal as much (heavy tank damage and using grace and more PW:S or after using stacks) is that “DIRECT” healing burns mana faster than atonement healing! I.E. Evangelism stacks ALSO decreases mana costs! If I let my stacks fall, it gets expensive to throw in a few HF’s & damaging penances tell stacks are back.

Or is this something we are keeping quiet? lol

But this offers TWO mana saving things for Disc that Holy is left w/o. YES they get stacks on smites; however, it does not heal!

This is TWO reasons that Holy needs looked into on thier mana reg issues!

]]> By: Platzman http://talesofapriest.com/2012/12/13/is-rapture-a-sign-of-the-end-of-the-world/#comment-33921 Platzman Tue, 08 Jan 2013 23:56:07 +0000 http://talesofapriest.com/?p=3053#comment-33921 I would actually hate the change of “no short time spirit buffs count into rapture”. 2 reasons –
1) Fun Factor – tracking procs nd timing raptures getting mana bonus – that is great
2) itemization – like shammy we would value short term spirit very low, since our main mana ability ignores it. I raid 10mans with resto shammy

How to solve it? Change Rapture to return 100% mana spent on PW:S + lets say 40% of SPI in mana.

It would mean scaling with spirit managable in next tiers.
It would preserve players choice between active management > passive approach. Passive player has possiblity to stack static SPIRIT and have good enough results, active may manage his short term buffs to better results (but not insanely better).
It would not be too broken in PvP or PvE.

Do you see any catches here?

]]> By: Discipline http://talesofapriest.com/2012/12/13/is-rapture-a-sign-of-the-end-of-the-world/#comment-30915 Discipline Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:03:53 +0000 http://talesofapriest.com/?p=3053#comment-30915 Before I mention this I want to just start by agreeing with a few points: First of all, YES Rapture is OP right now, without any mathematical analysis and just judging off of Spec swapping, it’s notably easier to heal as Discipline because it feels like Mana is much less an issue as Discipline compared to Holy. The Math is a nice confirmation, however Blizzard has always claimed that they don’t base changes to Specs off of Math being a Primary factor (whether of not that true, who knows). “Average player gameplay experience” has always been the #1 reason for a change/Balance. Second, I very Much agree with Valen, that the Divine Aegis Buff was like “wow, and they are boosting the DA % to 50% …wha!?” To most well tuned Priests we knew right away that sounded too powerful. I mean personally I want more reasons to use PW:S than PoH.
That being said the point I’d like to say, at the risk of being a huge critic of Derevka, forgive me. Is That for those of you who have played wow for many years now, (as priests, or perhaps very aware healers) Is that during the last 3 x-pac launches Discipline spec has had HUGE, UNDENIABLE issues for weeks or months after launch.(Discipline was rarely used in Vanilla and BC for raid healing) I’m a HUGE fan of Derevka, always have been. However for what ever reason, I fail to see objective Analysis out of him when there is clearly a UP (under powered) issue with the Discipline spec. I don’t’ mind hearing positive and/or optimistic analysis of spec balancing, however it’s real annoying when someone totally ignores the “elephant in the room”. In other words if Discipline is not being used by most healers/guilds/progression kills for a period of time, and there’s a lot of public outcry about Spec gameplay experience/Math. Perhaps there is an issue worth at least mentioning, and perhaps discussing. There has been a huge elephant in the room for the first weeks of MoP with Discipline priests, whether you want to use math or gameplay experience. I did not see any posts with charts, and graphs on it when there was a clear issue with throughput and Regen with Discipline. Instead it was “Keep Calm and Keep Healing”. “Objective Analysis” sparks a lot of respect, I’m not saying be pessimistic, so please don’t whip that card out. But please be somewhat vocal about possible Underpowered issues as well. (with both Specs btw)
Finally, also after several years of playing, you come to realize that there are balancing hotfixes, and patch changes made to all of the healing specs constantly. Some tiers you suck tailpipe, and some you overwhelmingly dominate. For the first weeks of MoP Discipline had clear issues both mathematically and gameplay wise. But I guess what I’d like to say is: There’s always going be Ups and Downs, I’ll ride the downs, and to be perfectly blunt, I’ll also ride the Up’s.

]]> By: Higherp http://talesofapriest.com/2012/12/13/is-rapture-a-sign-of-the-end-of-the-world/#comment-30904 Higherp Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:06:20 +0000 http://talesofapriest.com/?p=3053#comment-30904 I think just looking at mana return will not give the whole picture.

As Holy, being in the correct Chakra state boosts our heals 25% now!!! If my healz hit for more, mana regen is less of a concern since I will be casting less. Effectivly diminishing casting 25% is 25% less mana needed!

HOWEVER, as all Holy priests know, ya cast heals not bossted due to Chakra CD. So just using 25% would be VERY incorrect. However looking WoL and see how many boosted heals would give ya better idea.

So just looking at mana regen will not fix holy at all. It would be a start for Holy. More mana would help to get output up. Holy Concentration or just a 10% regen boost would be a start.

I would like to see base healing buffed for Holy by 10% (%15) would be nice since low in logs)and Chakra dropped to 15% first. Being in the wrong Chakra is too punishing when you need all the tools to maintain output. You currently loose 25% casting an unbuffed heal but you can not switch often enough with a 30 sec CD on Chakra. And decreasing CD and ‘stance dancing’ with macroing Chakra to each spell is not what we want. Well not all!

As with Disc, I think the comment about the “(from 30% to 50% with basically no explanation)” may be soething to look at! making 40 – 45% and check from there is an easy way scale it a bit!

]]> By: Venaliter http://talesofapriest.com/2012/12/13/is-rapture-a-sign-of-the-end-of-the-world/#comment-30795 Venaliter Sat, 15 Dec 2012 07:27:06 +0000 http://talesofapriest.com/?p=3053#comment-30795 They’ve hinted strongly they will remove the bonuses from Chakra and just make it mechanical, but this will have to wait for the next expansion.

As to Increasing Holy’s mana regen, absolutely agree; I’d like to see Holy Concentration make a re-appearance…

]]> By: Venaliter http://talesofapriest.com/2012/12/13/is-rapture-a-sign-of-the-end-of-the-world/#comment-30794 Venaliter Sat, 15 Dec 2012 07:21:52 +0000 http://talesofapriest.com/?p=3053#comment-30794 Have it backwards; If they remove temp Spirit from Rapture, and I believe they should, you might have to increase rapture to 225%; It’s not the 200% breaking things; It’s Mana Tide and other Spirit buffs inflating the number.

]]> By: Derevka http://talesofapriest.com/2012/12/13/is-rapture-a-sign-of-the-end-of-the-world/#comment-30717 Derevka Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:26:02 +0000 http://talesofapriest.com/?p=3053#comment-30717 There are 2 things at work here, yes- one being overall balance, the other being mana. I think more importantly if a well played Disc priest was next to a well played Holy priest there shouldnt be quite as large of a disparity between mana and output. Its just hard to exactly quantify where those overlap. (mana/output)

I agree we can’t simply remove Rapture in the current state of our outher tools. However rewarding Disc with temporary spirit boons isn’t quite balanced.

]]> By: Crysie http://talesofapriest.com/2012/12/13/is-rapture-a-sign-of-the-end-of-the-world/#comment-30673 Crysie Fri, 14 Dec 2012 04:30:07 +0000 http://talesofapriest.com/?p=3053#comment-30673 I agree Rapture should be independent from Spirit Link Totem, and possibly a reduction from 200% to say 175% mana return from spirit.

The real issue is that Holy seems so lack luster compared to disc. I feel rapture needs to be toned down a little bit, and a rework of holy to prevent Disc from completely overshadowing it.

For instance, a removal of chakra (or at least bake the throughput bonuses into Holy’s passives and allow each chakra state to provide a different healing spell to be used at the appropriate situation-leads to decision making about what state to be in but doesn’t constrain you from having weaker spells) and to rework Holy’s regen to have something else providing mana besides fiend/hymn.

]]> By: Blackmorgrim http://talesofapriest.com/2012/12/13/is-rapture-a-sign-of-the-end-of-the-world/#comment-30665 Blackmorgrim Fri, 14 Dec 2012 03:35:14 +0000 http://talesofapriest.com/?p=3053#comment-30665 I’ve always thought weakened soul was done as a way to limit the stacking of disc priests. Otherwise, regen doesn’t mean much unless you consider costs in there.

I mean, if disc had 20x the mana regeneration of holy… it would mean very little if it also spent mana 20x faster.

I realize they did it with mana tide also because it restores mana to more than the shaman. If the return is limited to the priest, personally, I think mechanics like that are nice nuances to the playstyle.

I know a lot of people have shifted to Disc over the years mainly because its different from every other healing spec.

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